i don't know what the relationship is between the steve stockman of then and the steve stockman of today and his own party. >> and here's where i think the politics of it right now are fascinating. there's a lot of malyaability i think in the public opinion on this issue right now in the wake of newtown. and the nra has played a very strange card from that very weird lapierre presser that seemed intensely focused on joining up the most rabid members of his base to this ad they've cut with sasha and malia. i don't think the war on the atf is a broadly resonant issue in american public life -- >> but they're trying to be broadly resonant. >> but they aren't trying to be broadly resonant. and the question, it gets back to the senate republican question, does the party, dot legislators go along with that? do they recognize -- when they were sitting around capitol hill, all of them, watching wayne lapierre up on their tv screens, did they recognize how terrible that looked toefrn? do they understand that? and doe think in the post-gerrymandered 13th congress with those districts that are goin